governor romney releasing tax returns, paid about 14%, and he could have paid less than that. should he have paid more? i don't mean send a larger check to the treasury, but under a new tax system in the country, would you like to see folks like governor romney have fewer tax deductions available to them? >> that is the premise we make. i say three things. number one, mitt's tax returns say he's a successful businessman. that's a good thing, i think. that's the experience we want. number two, he's a generous man. he and ann are generous people believing in civil society and charities. three, our pro-growth tax reforms are to lower tax rates for everybody by plugging loopholes starting with people like mitt romney. >> he'd pay more? >> yes, people in the top tax bracket. higher income people can use lots of shelters to shelter income from taxation. close those shelters, income is subject to taxation, lowering tax rates for everybody. this is a the secret to economic success. it's worked. it's a bipartisan idea. reagan and o'kneel this in, and it is what we propose today. there